“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.” – Matthew 6:1
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How is "denying your self" not proving yourself to God? I do agree that there are limits to how long we should fast, but how is the right amount not proving ourselves to God? Isn't that why we obey Him?
"I'm going to use a modern word. This is ✨stupid✨"
Ive never heard of pillar saints
Jesus fasted in the wilderness alone
Stylites.
I wonder if this is where "putting yourself on a pillar" came from.
Thanks for the education Mikey
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I'm sorry Wike mingler, Just because you don't Understand, Church Tradition and the Bible, doesn't mean you can Dismiss it 🤣
Bro just mad he doesn't have the testicular fortitude of a pillar saint. Mortify your flesh, you heathen. 😂 Joking but not joking. 😐
"The Monastery of St. Simeon Stylites the Younger commemorates Simeon and marks the last of several pillars on top of which he lived during his life. According to one account, he lived on this pillar for the final 45 years of his long life and preached from the top of it. Miraculous healing were attributed to him and he was venerated as a saint even while he was still alive. The Emperor Maurice of Constantinople held him in great esteem. The sick people he had healed built a church in gratitude. Until the thirteenth century the place was a pilgrimage destination."
-Wiki
These dudes were literally elevating themselves above others and required continual sacrifice from others to themselves.
… Just like Jesus instructed! 🙃
I think that we have to be careful judging the stylites and other ascetics that practised "weird" stuff like this, although your concerns were shared by the religious communities of these men.
Simeon I believe was so extreme he was asked to leave his monastery. He lived in a hut, then on a 20m space on the side of a mountain. Each time his desire to escape the world was thwarted by ppl searching him out and asking him for advice.
The pillar too started low, about 9ft but as everyone came, clamouring for his attention, asking for his advice it got higher and higher.
The monks decided this was pride and that he needed humility and decided among them that they would test his obedience and humility. They asked him to come down and when he obediently agreed and started down they then said he may stay up having proved his obedience.
Nah pillar saints were heroic. Standing on that pillar praying the whole time shows that God is worth completely setting your life aside for. It inspires others to be more proactive in their faith also.
Wasn’t medieval times, by the way. As soon as I heard that, I knew it would be an uninteresting take.
Oof.
Hey Mike when will you address the Orthodox Church?
I vaguely remember hearing about this, and I didn’t know that that’s what they were doing. I wonder how they went to the bathroom…
Stylites… They're called Stylites. They spent their days praying, fasting (needing little for sustenance), sinning less (for their was no one to offend), and preaching. Many, but not all of them, were humbly and pastorally addressing a need in the church; soon after the legalization of Christianity and the influx of nominal and uninformed Christians, the faithfull needed those who were rigorous in discipleship and an exemplar in asceticism.
They served the body of Christ, atop this stone, as candles in a dark time, burning up their essence for Christ: more of Christ's light and less of them.
You are presenting Christ on the depraved digital rooftops, Mike; a stylite in your own right.
I read somewhere that pillar saints functioned as a sort of medieval "Dear Abby" advice source. People would come and shout out questions about their problems, and the saint would shout back his suggestions. The holier the anchorite, the more his advice was sought out.
But I recommend the Christian band “Pillar”.
You are a protestant, I heard in my history class the Martin Luther slept naked in the snow, could you confirm it?
If I'm not mistaken this was actually started sometime during the 400s, not the middle ages.
Fasting… At my church, that's become a pillar moment for them. I can't go a week without someone saying..I'm fasting… It puts me in a very judgemental mindset….uggg. yes, that's me. I suck at the empathy aspect of Christianity. 😢
This reminds me of all the online Christian keyboard warriors. Any time someone disagrees with them, they inevitably throw in the obligatory, "I'll pray for you."
As a Christian, I think this also makes us look stupid. Not to mention self righteous and douchey.
It's like making sure that everyone around you sees that you put a big bill in the collection plate…"Look at what a good boy I am." If you're going to pray for someone, don't tell them you going to do it, just do it.
The Stylites were just another expression of Christian asceticism. There are others – Holy Fools, Anchorites, "Grazers", Wandering pilgrims. Julian of Norwich is a famous Anchoress beloved of feminists.
Weird or possibly even demonic.
The hoodie is very monk like Mike😂
it's called Asceticism, many people do this in every religion including Christianity. it isn't what Christ taught, Christ taught to deny the flesh from doing sin not deny it of every single pleasure that are good like the basic things… food, comfort and love from your families. Many put themselves in extreme poverty, extreme fasting, extreme abstinence from sex for what? money is good but love of money is evil, food is good but over consumption is evil, sex with your wife/husband is good but sex outside of marriage is evil.
Mike Winger is a liar and a charlatan typical shameless hypocrite Christian…
They were "the pillars of the community"?
Colossians 2:20-23 ESV
[20] If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— [21] “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” [22] (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? [23] These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
«“We have fasted before You!” they say. “Why arenʼt You impressed?”»
(Isa 58:3 ɴʟᴛ)
Yes, stupid
I just have two questions:
1) Where did they sleep?
2) Where did they poop?
I don’t know Mike. I used to not understand the early church too. After reading the life of Saint Simeon the Styllite I didn’t find any of the notions of vain glory mentioned here. In fact, I learned that these pillar saints underwent ordeals like these as life long commitments because they were coming out of the age of Christian persecution where you could be simply executed for being a Christian. After this persecution period ended, Christians found themselves unable to fear the Lord as they did when confessing the faith was a death warrant. I wouldn’t be so fast to write off a tradition that you don’t understand because it isn’t part of your modern reform tradition.
It's a form of false humility wanting the praise of men rather than the praise of God, but I wonder if it was due to a lack of biblical literacy or as you said, just plain ol stupid 😉
God gave me life to enjoy it, Not to overindulge, not to under indulge, and definitely not to punish myself, I have learned enough hard lessons, and I will thank God for the coffee and the cheesecake I had this evening, amen.
Smh. People like that need serious help.
Isn’t this just Gnosticism?
I recall that some sects of gnostic thought believed that the physical body was an illusion and that only the spiritual realm was real, therefore the best way to rid oneself of that illusion was to engage in extreme denial of one’s physical needs and sensual pleasures. I thought that the gnostics were considered heretics by the early church.
Here's a clue, Mike. Everything you're doing for and saying about Christianity is, to use your word, stupid. There is nothing special about the Christisnity-brand of religious craziness as there was for guys to get up on pillars. There just isn't any ration justification for any of it.
This is the first time I’ve heard the term “pillar saints”!
Ahhh there’s one of these guys in the show the left overs.
Typical catholic/orthodox/ecumenical weirdo nonsense, this is the type of stuff that makes people question the sensibility of Christianity. This is also why Paul spoke against asceticism, living like these monks do is ridiculous and a waste of time, better to live with the community than apart from it